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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://geek.focalcurve.com/archive/2004/08/prospect-performance-scam-update/comment-page-1/#comment-268</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2004 09:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, last time. Al, I&#039;m no longer accepting comments from you so you can stop trying. I let this last one slip through just to get my last word in before closing the thread. You&#039;ll twist that around and convince yourself you won something I&#039;m sure, but it&#039;s my fucking website and I&#039;m getting tired of this hostility. So here&#039;s my final say.

First, don&#039;t try the &quot;namecalling is for losers&quot; crap when you&#039;ve been slinging mud from your first post. Grow up, dickhead.

&quot;Sleazy&quot; and &quot;not respectable&quot; are pretty interchangable. A sleazy business practice is one involving deception, theft, underhanded cost-shifting, account manipulation, bribery, industrial espionate, etc etc. LOTS of businesses commit these sleazy acts with great success and profitability, but appeal to popularity does not justify it. It&#039;s still sleazy. Deal with it.

You are only free to market for as long as that marketing is tolerated by your targets. Human beings are not disembodied eyeballs upon which to spray your messages. They will not accept invasive, deceptive, misleading, or annoying marketing methods for very long. The more obnoxious you get, the less effective your marketing becomes and people eventually backlash strongly against it. Overexposure is a brandkiller. Look at the Spice Girls.

Guerra is trafficking in personally identifiable information in that he is collecting it and selling it. That is trafficking. Look it up. It&#039;s not especially sly to use the correct words, it&#039;s just command of the damn language.

Permission is non-transferrable. Guerra did not originally include a privacy policy, and did not disclose to his visitors that their information would be sold to anyone who wanted it. If you had paid attention to my original postings, that&#039;s what the problem was all along. Filling out that form on that ugly web page does not constitute explicitly granting permission to be contacted by unidentified third parties. He then added a privacy policy which does disclose that fact, so I have no more complaint aside from the fact it&#039;s still sleazy and the commercials are still crap. As long as he&#039;s telling the suckers what he&#039;s doing with their information, he can&#039;t be held responsible for their stupidity.

So... you reacted to a really lame commercial and allowed your data to be sold to a stranger. Congratulations, you&#039;re a sucker. You just let someone make money off you while you gain fuckall in return. And since you&#039;re working SO hard to make it sound like an honorable thing, I&#039;m assuming you got drawn into the exact same scheme of suckering other strangers and making money off THEM. Congratulations, you&#039;re a sucker AND a shitbag. You must be so proud of your accomplishments.

Trolling is internet jargon for posting deliberately inflammatory remarks with the intent of getting a reaction. You came onto my site and spouted your tripe because you wanted to get a rise out of someone. Well you bugged me and I foolishly responded and now you&#039;re getting your kicks. I fed the troll. Hope you&#039;re happy.

But now it&#039;s ending. Ta ta.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, last time. Al, I&#8217;m no longer accepting comments from you so you can stop trying. I let this last one slip through just to get my last word in before closing the thread. You&#8217;ll twist that around and convince yourself you won something I&#8217;m sure, but it&#8217;s my fucking website and I&#8217;m getting tired of this hostility. So here&#8217;s my final say.</p>
<p>First, don&#8217;t try the &#8220;namecalling is for losers&#8221; crap when you&#8217;ve been slinging mud from your first post. Grow up, dickhead.</p>
<p>&#8220;Sleazy&#8221; and &#8220;not respectable&#8221; are pretty interchangable. A sleazy business practice is one involving deception, theft, underhanded cost-shifting, account manipulation, bribery, industrial espionate, etc etc. LOTS of businesses commit these sleazy acts with great success and profitability, but appeal to popularity does not justify it. It&#8217;s still sleazy. Deal with it.</p>
<p>You are only free to market for as long as that marketing is tolerated by your targets. Human beings are not disembodied eyeballs upon which to spray your messages. They will not accept invasive, deceptive, misleading, or annoying marketing methods for very long. The more obnoxious you get, the less effective your marketing becomes and people eventually backlash strongly against it. Overexposure is a brandkiller. Look at the Spice Girls.</p>
<p>Guerra is trafficking in personally identifiable information in that he is collecting it and selling it. That is trafficking. Look it up. It&#8217;s not especially sly to use the correct words, it&#8217;s just command of the damn language.</p>
<p>Permission is non-transferrable. Guerra did not originally include a privacy policy, and did not disclose to his visitors that their information would be sold to anyone who wanted it. If you had paid attention to my original postings, that&#8217;s what the problem was all along. Filling out that form on that ugly web page does not constitute explicitly granting permission to be contacted by unidentified third parties. He then added a privacy policy which does disclose that fact, so I have no more complaint aside from the fact it&#8217;s still sleazy and the commercials are still crap. As long as he&#8217;s telling the suckers what he&#8217;s doing with their information, he can&#8217;t be held responsible for their stupidity.</p>
<p>So&#8230; you reacted to a really lame commercial and allowed your data to be sold to a stranger. Congratulations, you&#8217;re a sucker. You just let someone make money off you while you gain fuckall in return. And since you&#8217;re working SO hard to make it sound like an honorable thing, I&#8217;m assuming you got drawn into the exact same scheme of suckering other strangers and making money off THEM. Congratulations, you&#8217;re a sucker AND a shitbag. You must be so proud of your accomplishments.</p>
<p>Trolling is internet jargon for posting deliberately inflammatory remarks with the intent of getting a reaction. You came onto my site and spouted your tripe because you wanted to get a rise out of someone. Well you bugged me and I foolishly responded and now you&#8217;re getting your kicks. I fed the troll. Hope you&#8217;re happy.</p>
<p>But now it&#8217;s ending. Ta ta.</p>
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		<title>By: ME</title>
		<link>http://geek.focalcurve.com/archive/2004/08/prospect-performance-scam-update/comment-page-1/#comment-267</link>
		<dc:creator>ME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2004 04:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your changing your tune. It is not respectable. That is a step up from &quot;sleazy&quot;. Soon we will all have the freedom to market, but lets get this straight.

I have responded to those infomercials. I knew exactly what I was doing, and that info went to a person with a family, kids, and dreams just like everybody else in life. So no trafficking of info as you say. What does that term imply anyway. It sounds like you are relating it to drug traffiking which is a sly move to get your point across. Even if that was true, the utility companys, government, anyone you do business with is selling your info. It is not personal unless you are giving away your ss#. Just look in the phone book. You have all the names you need if you wanted.

So call me names, your argument is not valid. What is a troll?
And am I not feeding you? Lets not bother with details. Your right.
Sorry to have feed you. My God Bless and have a wonderful life!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your changing your tune. It is not respectable. That is a step up from &#8220;sleazy&#8221;. Soon we will all have the freedom to market, but lets get this straight.</p>
<p>I have responded to those infomercials. I knew exactly what I was doing, and that info went to a person with a family, kids, and dreams just like everybody else in life. So no trafficking of info as you say. What does that term imply anyway. It sounds like you are relating it to drug traffiking which is a sly move to get your point across. Even if that was true, the utility companys, government, anyone you do business with is selling your info. It is not personal unless you are giving away your ss#. Just look in the phone book. You have all the names you need if you wanted.</p>
<p>So call me names, your argument is not valid. What is a troll?<br />
And am I not feeding you? Lets not bother with details. Your right.<br />
Sorry to have feed you. My God Bless and have a wonderful life!</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://geek.focalcurve.com/archive/2004/08/prospect-performance-scam-update/comment-page-1/#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2004 00:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al, you&#039;re still missing the point. Trafficking in personal information is not a reputable means of doing business. It is not respectable. You are not respectable. It&#039;s not a plot to take over the world, it&#039;s just a plot to victimize gullible people. It&#039;s a scam. It&#039;s a lie. It&#039;s fucking sleazy and you cannot legitimize it with insults.

Oh well, think what you will, it&#039;s my own fault for feeding the trolls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al, you&#8217;re still missing the point. Trafficking in personal information is not a reputable means of doing business. It is not respectable. You are not respectable. It&#8217;s not a plot to take over the world, it&#8217;s just a plot to victimize gullible people. It&#8217;s a scam. It&#8217;s a lie. It&#8217;s fucking sleazy and you cannot legitimize it with insults.</p>
<p>Oh well, think what you will, it&#8217;s my own fault for feeding the trolls.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Al</title>
		<link>http://geek.focalcurve.com/archive/2004/08/prospect-performance-scam-update/comment-page-1/#comment-253</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2004 00:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahaaaa, the name calling. Yes, losers do that. The reason for the many domains is that each one represents an individual person doing their own advertising. Yes, it is a dark sinister plot to take over the earth. Again, what does it matter to you. It is not &quot;sleazy&quot; it is just another way to do business. You don&#039;t agree with it, so lets just ban it, and lets also get rid of the &quot;sleazy&quot; stock market. And lets get rid of &quot;sleazy&quot; lawyers...... The list could go on, and on and on.

I grow sick of the cry baby internet wantabees that think they have power because they can actually complain on every little subject they want, whether the facts are correct, or even true. That is the sad truth of this kinda of junk accumulating into the 1000&#039;s of useless pages info. If you are so sure of something, pick up a pen and write somebody with your concerns, or is that to much trouble for name callers and people who think they know everything. 

Bye the way, what is a troll. I know, another category you put people who disagree with you. I see. No thought&#039; just me me me I am right now leave me alone. Bye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahaaaa, the name calling. Yes, losers do that. The reason for the many domains is that each one represents an individual person doing their own advertising. Yes, it is a dark sinister plot to take over the earth. Again, what does it matter to you. It is not &#8220;sleazy&#8221; it is just another way to do business. You don&#8217;t agree with it, so lets just ban it, and lets also get rid of the &#8220;sleazy&#8221; stock market. And lets get rid of &#8220;sleazy&#8221; lawyers&#8230;&#8230; The list could go on, and on and on.</p>
<p>I grow sick of the cry baby internet wantabees that think they have power because they can actually complain on every little subject they want, whether the facts are correct, or even true. That is the sad truth of this kinda of junk accumulating into the 1000&#8242;s of useless pages info. If you are so sure of something, pick up a pen and write somebody with your concerns, or is that to much trouble for name callers and people who think they know everything. </p>
<p>Bye the way, what is a troll. I know, another category you put people who disagree with you. I see. No thought&#8217; just me me me I am right now leave me alone. Bye.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://geek.focalcurve.com/archive/2004/08/prospect-performance-scam-update/comment-page-1/#comment-252</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2004 06:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allow me to briefly re-explain the business model of this whole thing:

1) Buy tons of local cable airtime to hawk a website under a broad range of disposable domain names.
2) Collect personally identifiable information from visitors to that website.
3) Sell that personally identifiable information to whomever wants it, for whatever purpose, then wash your hands of the whole thing so you cannot be held accountable for how that information is used.

Guerra is harvesting information from one group of suckers and selling it to another group of suckers. This is a sleazy business model. It may be legal, but it&#039;s still sleazy. It may be an industry with a long history, but it&#039;s still sleazy. It may be profitable, but it&#039;s still sleazy. Starting to catch on yet? It&#039;s sleazy.

Terry, I never said anything about all &quot;leads services&quot; being sleazy, but I&#039;ll say it now. Leads services are sleazy. It&#039;s a sleazy industry. Network marketing is a sleazy industry. Pyramid schemes are sleazy. You are sleazy.

Big Al, you&#039;re also sleazy, and an ass. Thank you for trolling, have a nice day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allow me to briefly re-explain the business model of this whole thing:</p>
<p>1) Buy tons of local cable airtime to hawk a website under a broad range of disposable domain names.<br />
2) Collect personally identifiable information from visitors to that website.<br />
3) Sell that personally identifiable information to whomever wants it, for whatever purpose, then wash your hands of the whole thing so you cannot be held accountable for how that information is used.</p>
<p>Guerra is harvesting information from one group of suckers and selling it to another group of suckers. This is a sleazy business model. It may be legal, but it&#8217;s still sleazy. It may be an industry with a long history, but it&#8217;s still sleazy. It may be profitable, but it&#8217;s still sleazy. Starting to catch on yet? It&#8217;s sleazy.</p>
<p>Terry, I never said anything about all &#8220;leads services&#8221; being sleazy, but I&#8217;ll say it now. Leads services are sleazy. It&#8217;s a sleazy industry. Network marketing is a sleazy industry. Pyramid schemes are sleazy. You are sleazy.</p>
<p>Big Al, you&#8217;re also sleazy, and an ass. Thank you for trolling, have a nice day.</p>
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